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Noel Vera

Batman, Superman, all overrated. Change the course of a river to clean out a shithole, or kill a nine-headed monster that grows two heads for every one cut off, now that's super heroing.

Not a big fan of Nolan, the biggest reason being he's never learned to shoot action. And I just think there's better comic-book movies out there

Nguyen

Jimmy,
I always appreciate an interesting point of view that I never thought of even if I disagree with it. Yes I'm often quoting my heroes even though I'm distrustful of it. It's always an interesting jumping off point. Let me interpret your Freud quote:
"One thing only do I know for certain and that is that man’s judgements of value follow directly his wishes for happiness—that, accordingly, they are an attempt to support his illusions with arguments."

Usually we watch a movie/read a book and we Like it or Hate it. We don't know why at first. Only afterward do we try to formulate our thoughts about the movie/book to support our love/hate. So the idea that we our immediately and constantly rational or analytical as we are watching a movie is not true for most people. Unless they are perpetually politically motivated. It's a difficult existence for me. The Joker would call them schemers.

Is it possible to misappropriate a material from a book or film? I agree Yes. But those misappropriations are like their own little voices and can also be valid. Even a fanboys blind love should not be disregarded. But let's be aware of such.

But as we've heard from feminism, "The personal is political". I often hear people say when they like something that it is because it was "Dark" or "I could relate to it". And I have no qualms don't get me wrong. It is a totally natural reaction. People like things because it mirrors their values/beliefs. The recent trend in dark movies had to do with the cynical/pessimistic nature of the world we live in. To me the quality of the work has nothing to do with it so I avoid that in any critical analysis. Wether a work is dark or light (wether you like blues or pop music) has nothing to do with the quality of the work. If you liked a movie because it was dark it just means you think you've had it rough.

On the other side of it. Sometimes, when I hear someone disagree. They say,"Well, I'm just being logical'. I already assume that when someone is forming an argument then they are being logical. But logical thought does not proceed nor is it uncorrupted by
irrational emotions. I'm also prone to rambling and generalizations, not to mention I can play it fast and loose at times.

My favorite all time critique of a movie is "I liked it because it was real". There is a truth to this because that is the art of filmmaking to me. The art of verisimilitude. The invisible art. And everyone has they're level of trust/mistrust as to wether they buy it or not. When people see the politics of the movie then it becomes visible and they feel tricked and angry particularly if it is contrary to their selves(I prefer selves to beliefs. It sounds more freudian)

joe

absolutely correct. i left a negative post on rotten tomatoes and got called an idiot about a thousand times. the politics are there in the film, but there also stupid. i found it boring as well, and was told that i must be dead if i didn't find it entertaining. when it comes down to it though, the movie doesn't really deserve to be discussed anymore.

Jilly Rizzo

The "collapsing economy" grew 3.3% last quarter.

Filmbrain

Jilly --

Much of the growth was due to an increase in exports, triggered by the slumping dollar. You can't sustain an economy on exports alone.

Business investments are down, as is hiring, and inventories have declined tremendously. New unemployment claims in one week in July was at 448,000. Things in the housing market haven't improved much either.

Numbers can be massaged to look good, but the overall picture is still pretty grim.

L

I had a great time too.
But that city in the movie is not Gotham...is something else,less dark, less deadent. C'mon, there are no gargolies!

Delicia

Interestingly enough both Filmbrain and Jake are right. From a storyteller's point of view the objections Filmbrain makes are just. But The Dark Knight is so much more than the script, and that is due to the Joker. Whatever flaws are in the storyline, there is none in that character and Heath Ledger asks the Joker's unanswerable questions in a manner that left me scared. Batman can only ever react, is left behind at every point, and Christian Bale does reflect that increasing powerlessness. The Joker negatives all the rest of the bromide, rendering the forced optimism of the scene on the ships hollow.

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