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Where did you get that Death Proof script? Can you post it please?
Posted by: Ketan L | Apr 13, 2007 12:14:27 PM
I hope you'll come over to The House Next Door, Filmbrain, and take in Matt and my Tarantino conversation, freshly published.
http://mattzollerseitz.blogspot.com/2007/04/my-tarantino-problem-and-yours.html
I'm in love with "Death Proof" (and Tarantino in general), and while I see all your points here (many of which Matt echoes in our convo) I get the sense this is more a review of Tarantino's script than his final product, which I think is much more complicated than his, admittedly, problematic descriptors. He does himself no favors with his public persona, but I think his movies show him to be much smarter and intuitive than perhaps even he himself realizes.
I explain my feelings about "Death Proof" and QT in the convo; hopefully with more insight than in the recent reviews you've read. Be well.
Posted by: Keith Uhlich | Apr 13, 2007 12:19:33 PM
Synchronicty, Keith. I just minutes ago finished reading that wonderful dialog between you and Matt. Great stuff. I'll comment over there.
Posted by: Filmbrain | Apr 13, 2007 12:51:07 PM
Ketan - some kind soul emailed it to me. I thought about posting it, but I honestly fear the wrath of the brothers W. Drop me an email if you'd like me to send it to you.
Posted by: Filmbrain | Apr 13, 2007 12:52:26 PM
Doesn't Kim and Zoe's story about the ditch mark them as hedonists as well? Plus the whole car-surfing and joyriding. Just hedonists with a different set of superpowers, which gave them the ability to take down Stuntman Mike.
I found Lee really perplexing. I mean, I never thought a Tarantino movie would wander into Kevin Smith territory but there she was, an actual Pretty In Pink-loving woman in the Reservoir Dogs diner scene. (Yeah--there's a million car movies referenced in that scene, plus the very not-"grindhouse" Pretty In Pink. How odd.) She's the dimmest of the second set of girls; she's the only one who doesn't get to avenge the first set's deaths, and she's actually getting sacrificed so said vengeance can take place; she's the only actress among the second set--everyone else is a behind-the-scenes movie professional. I'm not sure it all adds up. Obviously Tarantino wants to invoke cheerleaders movies, with all the buttshots and crotchshots and closeups in the first half and Winstead's costume in the second, but I feel like he wants to invoke them just so he can dismiss them, via the slasher genre in the first half and the female revenge picture in the second. (Her actually saying the word "gulp" I thought was the funniest bit in Death Proof, by the way.)
Posted by: Justin Slotman | Apr 13, 2007 1:47:32 PM
Interesting comments, Justin.
Kim and Zoe are, in a way, like The Bride from Kill Bill: women with great ass kicking/survival skills, though they use it legitimately in their employ (as opposed to being part of an assassination squad).
Tarantino has only two types of female characters: the "pretty girls" (read: victims), or tough women (i.e., every woman in the Kill Bill saga.) You'd think he could come up with something else.
What bothers me about the Lee character is that, unlike the "pretty girls" of the first half, she's nothing more than a cheap plot device -- a way for the other two three to get the car.
You're right -- it just doesn't add up.
Posted by: Filmbrain | Apr 13, 2007 2:15:09 PM
QT probably does need a girlfriend. But with that puss of his, it may never happen. He looks like a mongoloid fuck baby. And he's jittery to boot. Not exactly the beau hunk you want to take home to meet mom and dad.
Posted by: Donna Fadoushbag | Apr 13, 2007 2:27:01 PM
(spoilers - and apologies for the long-windedness)
Is it giving QT way too much credit to suggest that maybe Zoe et al.'s cavalier thrill-seeking is meant to be a wee bit troubling underneath the surface pleasures it provides to the audience?
Is it entirely off-base to suggest, for example, that the other three's willingness to ditch Lee with the horny redneck dude is meant to cast them in a not-entirely-flattering light? And that this is in keeping with their (esp. Zoe's) unequivocal excitement (amusing, but also disturbing) about chasing down their attacker and getting lethal revenge? Notice how Zoe never seems particularly *angry* after she's nearly killed - she seems happier than ever, like she's been given a chance to do something she never thought she'd have the opportunity to do.** Notice also how the women, in their single-minded pursuit of their "prey," seem pretty clearly at one point to cause the death of a hapless motorcyclist who's in the wrong place at the wrong time (looked like a fatal accident to me, anyway). And, of course, notice how readily and premeditatively they're willing to beat a man to death in the name of revenge. I'm not seeing anger during that final scene - I'm seeing joy. During that final "yay!" freezeframe, I may be amused and even elated, but somewhere underneath I'm also disturbed, and I think that's intentional - it's something you see in one way or another in most, if not all, of the violence in QT's films.
QT clearly idolizes these women, but I think he's also shared shitless of them. I think he probably feels the same way about black men, honestly. And about violent people and violence in general. And I think consistently throughout his filmography you can see his attempts to grapple with these kinds of conflicting feelings, if only somewhere on the periphery, and with varying degrees of success. He covets the things he fears, and vice versa.
Also, I gotta ask: have you (Filmbrain) watched RESERVOIR DOGS recently? That diner scene at the beginning...yeesh. Placing it next to its gender-switched doppelganger scene in DEATH PROOF does the former no favors at all. Attractive stuntwomen talking about VANISHING POINT may have an element of geek fantasy, but at least there's an attempt being made there to establish real characters at the same time that QT gets his rocks off; on the other hand, I can't watch that DOGS scene and see anything but QT thinking "No one ever wants to hear me talk about possible interpretations of 'Like a Virgin,' but they'll listen if it's a badass snappily-dressed gangster!"
**I also see this in the PULP FICTION scene of Bruce Willis choosing and rejecting various weapons before settling on that samurai sword. He's not just going on a rescue mission - he's enamored with the sudden opportunity to actually Kill in the Name of Justice, and he's carefully choosing the weapon that best completes the image he has in his mind of himself kicking ass. On the one hand, to quote UNFORGIVEN, "it's a hell of a thing, killing a man," but on the other hand...well...killing a man must be quite something. And I think Tarantino is one of the few contemporary filmmakers who acknowledges the validity of both feelings.
Posted by: sleeper | Apr 13, 2007 3:30:03 PM
Sleeper -- there are some directors who skillfully use the art form to grapple with issues they are conflicted about -- who create films that pose questions/challenges not only to the audience but to themselves.
I've never thought of Tarantino as one of them.
You may very well be right about QT, but I don't see it. I see nothing but a man-child indulging in whatever he finds cool and/or interesting at the moment. If there is fear on his part -- of powerful women, violence, or black men -- then he's doing a tremendous job of hiding it.
Just as I don't think Tarantino "gets" women, I feel the same way about his approach towards black people. Isn't Kim really just a female version of Jules from Pulp Fiction? Several times in the Death Proof screenplay, Tarantino uses the following line:
Kim does her Sam Jackson pimp laugh
Can he not think of any other way to describe it?
To answer your question, no, I haven't seen Reservoir Dogs in quite some time, but I still think there's something wonderful about a scale of masculinity that ranges from Steve Buscemi on one end, to Lawrence Tierney on the other, discussing tips and Like a Virgn (among other things). There's an absurdity to it that's absent from Death Proof.
Posted by: Filmbrain | Apr 13, 2007 3:47:36 PM
Also:
"Tarantino has only two types of female characters: the "pretty girls" (read: victims), or tough women (i.e., every woman in the Kill Bill saga.) You'd think he could come up with something else."
Where, other than DEATH PROOF, does Tarantino set "pretty girls" up as "victims" per se? I'm running through his other films in my head, and I can't think of any examples. Melanie in JACKIE BROWN is ultimately murdered, but it's kind of a stretch to say that reduces her entire character to a mere "victim." Fabienne in PF certainly isn't anyone's idea of a "tough woman," but what exactly is she a victim of?
I'm not being facetious here, and I'm not saying the "pretty [or maybe more accurately, 'girly'] girls" / "tough girls" accusation is entirely unfounded. (Although I'm curious what side of the dichotomy you'd put Mia Wallace on.) It's just that this "pretty girls (read: victims)" thing is something I don't see in any of his work prior to DEATH PROOF.
Posted by: sleeper | Apr 13, 2007 3:57:45 PM
Sleeper --
Honestly, I only had Death Proof in mind when I wrote that comment -- I should have qualified that.
But now that I think about it, I wonder how much of Pulp Fiction come from Avery. Could (or would) Quentin write a Fabienne on his own? I wonder...
Putting aside Jackie Brown, which is an adaptation, leaves only KB and DP. Is there a single female in KB who isn't a killer? Oh yes, the aptly named Sophie Fatale, the tri-linguist who has most of her limbs chopped off.
Posted by: Filmbrain | Apr 13, 2007 4:12:31 PM
Great critique, Mr. Brain.
Posted by: Looker | Apr 13, 2007 4:30:02 PM
Why thank you, Lawrence. I also enjoyed your post about the pre-Disneyfied Times Square. Glad to know your first experience on the Deuce ended well. Mine, in 1979, ended with me and my friends getting mugged in front of the army recruiting station. Yet even that wasn't as horrifying as the Italian cannibal film we had just emerged from.
Posted by: Filmbrain | Apr 13, 2007 4:39:57 PM
You guys are all missing the point. The second half of DEATH PROOF is really an elaborate metaphor for QT's desire to get pegged, especially by black women. Think of all the anal sex references aimed at Kurt Russell.
Posted by: Steve | Apr 13, 2007 4:42:42 PM
Filmbrain - just so you know, even though I'm going on at such length here, I'm really not trying to be combative, and I hope it doesn't come across that way (you haven't said anything to indicate it does - I just get paranoid). Honestly Tarantino isn't even close to one of my favorite directors - all his films are to some degree compromised by their self-indulgent unevenness (interesting though I may find it - just 'cause something's interesting doesn't mean it works), although only RESERVOIR DOGS fails to "work" for me overall. It's just that I just saw DEATH PROOF last night, and its structural and tonal oddities got me thinking more deeply about what he might be trying to do - in that film, and by extension in all his films - than I have in the past.
"there are some directors who skillfully use the art form to grapple with issues they are conflicted about -- who create films that pose questions/challenges not only to the audience but to themselves."
I don't think any of his films are expressly created to pose these questions. I think it's just something that's happening, unobtrusively, along the way. I think at heart the guy just wants to entertain - but at the same time, it seems as though he does want the food for thought to be there, if you look for it (except in KILL BILL - I don't really see that one as saying much of anything about anything). I'm not sure that he's even aware he's doing this, but it's certainly something I've felt in his work, and I'd like to think that's valid - I don't feel like I'm coming to his work predisposed toward liking it. If anything I'm always surprised to find I like his stuff - based on my general tastes in film, I always kind of expect to find his films insufferable. In a way, I wish I did - then I wouldn't have to do this much thinking about them to figure out why the hell I like them.
"I see nothing but a man-child indulging in whatever he finds cool and/or interesting at the moment."
I see that man-child, too - it's impossible not to, really. The up-front-ness is part of what fascinates me, I think - I can't think offhand of another director who's simultaneously so blatantly, embarrassingly, grotesquely self-indulgent and yet so committed to and fascinated by the sheer craftsmanship of filmmaking. It's like some unholy amalgam of Alfred Hitchcock and Kevin Smith. (I can't stand Kevin Smith, by the way - that's a case where I look and really can't see anything beyond the man-child, and it's just icky.) Picture Hitchcock deciding to make some kind of JAY-AND-SILENT-BOB-STRIKE-BACK-style meta-sequel starring Tippi Hedren and Anthony Perkins as their BIRDS and PSYCHO characters, *and* actually making it work to some degree, and I think that's the kind of mindset you're looking at when you look at Tarantino. Sort of.
"If there is fear on his part -- of powerful women, violence, or black men -- then he's doing a tremendous job of hiding it."
You say "hiding it," I say "sublimating it," I guess.
"Just as I don't think Tarantino "gets" women, I feel the same way about his approach towards black people."
I agree, but again, I think that's something that's acknowledged in various ways within the work itself. Look especially at Robert Forster's character in JACKIE BROWN. There's a reason that performance is more deeply felt - more real - than any other in the movie. He's struggling to tell himself he's comfortable with Jackie - who is a woman, and black, and tough, and ultimately quite a badass - that he could see himself as her equal, and be with her as an equal - but in the end he's too much in awe of those qualities, and finds her about as approachable as the monolith from 2001. He's not up to the task.
"Several times in the Death Proof screenplay, Tarantino uses the following line:
Kim does her Sam Jackson pimp laugh
Can he not think of any other way to describe it?"
I haven't read any of Tarantino's scripts, and it's quite possible they'd "ruin" the movies for me to some degree. I know that my increasing dislike of DONNIE DARKO stems at least partly from listening to Richard Kelly's commentary track, and hearing how lame and dopey his explanations of the film's intended "meaning" are. Since you've read the script for DEATH PROOF, it makes sense to me that you look at the finished product and see, well, Kim doing her Sam Jackson pimp laugh - and it is certainly dispiriting to hear it referred to that way, the same way it would be to discover, say, a script direction in TOUCH OF EVIL calling for Charlton Heston to "really Spic it up" or something like that. I guess Tarantino is just somehow a more interesting director than he seems capable of being or even "deserves" to be - a Tom-Hulce-in-AMADEUS kind of deal. Not that I'm even remotely calling Tarantino a modern-day Mozart - let's not get crazy.
Did you read the script before or after you watched the film, BTW? Just curious.
"But now that I think about it, I wonder how much of Pulp Fiction come from Avery. Could (or would) Quentin write a Fabienne on his own? I wonder..."
A very good question (I always forget about the Avary factor, as most people seem to). I guess watching KILLING ZOE might provide some clues, but do I really want to do that? Somehow I can't muster up much enthusiasm...
Anyway, thanks for bantering with me about this - it's given me some stuff to think about. If nothing else I feel as though I should re-watch that opening scene in RESERVOIR DOGS.
Posted by: sleeper | Apr 13, 2007 6:02:23 PM
"Not that I'm even remotely calling Tarantino a modern-day Mozart - let's not get crazy."
sleeper, you may enjoy the first paragraph of Walter Chaw's Grindhouse review in light of that statement (if you're not already referencing it. One of Walter's best, though I think he's way too hard on Planet Terror.)
Posted by: Justin Slotman | Apr 13, 2007 6:25:31 PM
Sleeper --
Not to worry -- I don't take it as combative at all. I've really enjoyed your comments.
I think ultimately our feelings about Tarantino aren't that different. I'll be the first to admit a love/hate relationship. I get terribly angry at his films, and frustrated, but I own them all on DVD. I admire his craft -- the man does have talent. I just wish there was something that could help distance him from work.
Jackie Brown is easily his most mature work, and I'm sure that has to do with the fact that it's an adaptation. Perhaps he should do a few more of those before trying something original.
It's as if he wants to please everybody -- fanboys and cinephiles alike -- and that's where he runs into trouble.
As for Kevin Smith, at least he's honest about who he is: a grown man who still finds dick and fart jokes a riot. So be it.
To answer your question, I saw the film before reading the screenplay, which I'm happy about. My guess is that in the new cut, at least the cut of Death Proof that will be at Cannes, will probably re-instate many scenes in the screenplay that were (thankfully!) left out.
A quick rundown of other cultural references in the screenplay that didn't make it into the film:
Tyra Banks, Sammy Hagar, Junior Bonner, Ibsen, T. S. Elliot, The Jeffersons, Moesha.
Ibsen and Elliot -- QT's gettin' all highbrow!
There's also a foot-fetish scene where Stuntman Mike secretly strokes the feet of a sleeping Abernathy, and a ridiculous bit of dialog about buying a copy of Italian Vogue that is truly awful.
Posted by: Filmbrain | Apr 13, 2007 6:50:29 PM
I sketch out an observation or two about Tarantino's lousy movie, particularly its dialogue, here:
http://figskin.blogspot.com/2007/04/does-grindhouse-cheat-you-fair.html
I put the failure down to bad acting, not worse-than-usual writing.
Posted by: John Figler | Apr 13, 2007 9:17:54 PM
off topic but rest in peace to Barry Nelson one of the great character actors of all time. Mr. Nice guy.
Posted by: mike | Apr 14, 2007 10:38:03 AM
Barry hired Jack to look over The Overlook.
Posted by: Donna Fadoushbag | Apr 14, 2007 12:08:20 PM
whoa!!! not sure my brain can digest this article and the following comments.
it's saturday evening and i'm at the end of another week where i've been thinking
a lot about the relationship between the online fans of film and the film (grindhouse)
made to appeal to those beyond this little world we inhabit... tarantino's clever, i think,
and he gets a hard time for wearing his references on his sleeve and talking loudly (and
often) about his use of them, his previous uses of them, his potential uses of them.
there was a clip online of an old interview where tarantino described what he does as
an equivalent of hip-hop in film form - sample, slice, remix, make something new with
something old - and i think he has shown himself to be smarter and far dumber than that
too, it's both potentially lazy and incredibly revolutionary at the same time...
and i also think tarantinos 'dragon dynasty' label shows how it's easy to lock into
a way of thinking towards the lower ranks of films, he's a bit oldschool and i feel
from my own formative years having a different perspective which taints my
ways of treating films (where, for me, good transfers on DVD give less of a sense
of grind, more of a sense of revelation at the heavy connections between
so-called trash and so-called classics).
for him, 'grindhouse' theatres personify and embody his initial early,
formative experiences of what are broadly covered by several or so
possible ways; films viewed out of time-and-place, films suffering from a lack of context
as a result, films suffering from publicity and finance which distort in one
persons eye when they remain an honest and worthwhile approach elsewhere.
still, there's plenty to be said about having achieved something relatively unsual, as 'grindhouse'
is is some ways, as tarantinos work is in some ways - because it's relative to its origins, and for
the most part these origins run a million miles from literal use of the elements he has in his films,
and instead you have the ironic $60m movie that could be out-charmed by a misunderstood
and more capable filmmaker like takashi miike half-a-dozen times a year, potentially.
Posted by: logboy | Apr 14, 2007 2:14:56 PM
My cousin Clara told me that one of her closest friends from childhood is dying of some terrible and rare blood disease. Jolene has moved back in with her conservative, redneck parents in a small Texas town. She's slowly wasting away, in great pain, coughing up blood, not eating at all--it's awful. Clara told me recently that at least Jolene had her pole installed in her room in her parents' house so that she could keep up her dancing during her last days. "Huh?" I had to have that repeated. Jolene is an "exotic" pole dancer, and as she's dying a horrible death and passing her last days in her parents' home--she continues her pole dancing.
Clara is thirty-one, and Jolene is about the same age. As you know, FB, I am forty. I don't know if that qualifies as a different generation, but I think it's illustrative of something I just don't get about younger people. In a perverse, Paglia-esque reversal of feminism, young women in 2007 revel in sexual behavior that demeans them. I think that's true of young men too, to a lesser extent. Perhaps it's just something about this generation I don't get. There's an echo of it in Houellebecq's latest, in which his forty-seven-year-old protagonist dates a twenty-five-year-old for a while. He doesn't entirely get her, and she is very alien to his mature sensibilities.
But then, I think this is just a reflection of straight men's need for sexual conquest and their attraction to children--something I have never entirely grasped. Tarantino merely has the children in his movies deliver clever lines while scantily clad. I haven't seen it in years, but I recall something similar of River Phoenix and Keanu Reeves in Van Sant's My Own Private Idaho: sexy rent boys delivering lines from Shakespeare. I haven't seen too many of his films, but my favorite of Tarantino's women was Daryl Hannah in Kill Bill. Madison from Splash has not aged all that gracefully. The actress was almost unrecognizable to me, and it was her obvious mileage and middle-aged cynicism that made her compelling and tremendously attractive to me.
Frankly, I think you have not gone far enough. I think Tarantino is a complete douchebag, utterly full of himself. As Cinephiliac wrote, he thinks his shit don't stink. He proved that by freely using the n-word in basically his own voice in Pulp Fiction. He thinks the rules don't apply to him. He doesn't think he's a film god. He thinks he is God. Sure, he's made a few good movies, but he's nothing more than a lecherous old prick who hasn't suffered enough to develop any measure of humility. To paraphrase Mickey Rourke as Charles Bukowski in Barfly, "He doesn't need love. He needs a taste of death."
Posted by: Jimmy | Apr 14, 2007 11:02:04 PM
Oh, and while we're on the topic of great ones gone and one-ho shows, I'll share this. I just wish I could have worked "nappy-headed" in there.
Posted by: Jimmy | Apr 14, 2007 11:29:01 PM
Barry was also the captain of the plane in the original Airport giving level headed advice to Dino.
As to his role as Ullman in the Shining, the role, as originally written, was very much like the book. In King's word's Ullman was an "officious prick" and not very likeable. Nelson played him likeable and heightened the foreshadowing in the movie.
Don Ho, we will miss you as well.
Posted by: mike | Apr 15, 2007 2:31:30 AM
I would call Dirty Mary, Crazy Larry a quasi AIP film. It was produced by former AIP co-founder James Nicholson for his production company which had a distribution deal with Fox. Also, two of the stars, Peter Fonda and Adam Roarke, were AIP veterans.
Sorry to read that you got mugged on 42nd Street. I guess I left NYC in time. Actually, my favorite theater to see AIP and New World films was the Academy of Music theater on 14th Street with that huge screen.
Posted by: Peter Nellhaus | Apr 16, 2007 7:39:17 AM
Mr (Mrs?) so-called-filmbrain: I'm the person that emailed you on Friday, a good friend of Quentin's living in Austin. That's in Texas.
If I seemed a bit harsh in the email it's simply because Q is my nigga, and I got his back. Still, I told him about your post and he was pi$$ed off. Loser bloggers telling a famous man he needs him a woman? Where do you get off? I don't know if he'll bother to reply, but if he does you should watch out. You're name will be mud in the morbidly huge film bloggers circle jerk.
Posted by: Baby Acapulco | Apr 16, 2007 10:29:45 AM
instead you have the ironic $60m movie that could be out-charmed by a misunderstood
and more capable filmmaker like takashi miike half-a-dozen times a year, potentially
Excellent observation logboy...I couldn't agree more.
Jimmy - I was honestly left speechless about the dying pole dancer story. Hey -- perhaps Quentin can co-opt that into his next screenplay?
Peter - That mugging was a right of passage (of sorts).
When did the Academy of Music theater close? Was that the one on 14th and Irving Place? I don't think I ever went there.
Posted by: Filmbrain | Apr 16, 2007 10:43:43 AM
Baby Acapulco --
Ummm....let me guess. Harry Knowles? Sandra Bullock? Jungle Julia?
Oh well, back to the circle jerk...
Posted by: Filmbrain | Apr 16, 2007 10:53:27 AM
I wonder if Mr./Mrs. Baby Acapulco is truly the FOQ he/she claims to be. It would be interesting if "Quentin" commented on your post. (I always find it awkward when you film-types refer to public figures by their first names. It reminds me of President Bush calling Lord Robertson, the former head of NATO, "George." But I guess all the kids are doing it.) It's kind of a no-win situation for Tarantino, though, at least if he owns up to his toady's remarks, which address not the merits of your arguments but the fact that you've impugned the machismo of a "famous man." This reminds me of the Family Guy episode where Meg publishes an unflattering article in her school newspaper about Luke Perry, who discovers it accidentally because he reads through every high-school paper in America. Should Mr. T write you directly, I sincerely hope you'll post the entire thing here for our circle-jerking pleasure.
Posted by: Jimmy | Apr 16, 2007 1:48:22 PM
PS - That's not to say that Like Anna Karina's Sweater is on the level of a high-school paper. You're at least as high up the food chain as Reader's Digest.
Posted by: Jimmy | Apr 16, 2007 1:51:54 PM
"You're at least as high up the food chain as Reader's Digest."
Jimmy's a dick...and his snarky jabs illustrate why I've come to hate blogs.
Posted by: Donna Fadoushbag | Apr 16, 2007 4:39:32 PM
Donna --
While I share you distaste for blog-snark, Jimmy's an old friend, and I can assure you there wasn't a hint of snark in that comment, just some good ole' fashioned ribbing.
Posted by: Filmbrain | Apr 16, 2007 5:05:19 PM
May I retract my "dick" accusation then? My apologies, Jimmy.
Posted by: Donna Fadoushbag | Apr 16, 2007 5:37:18 PM
Yep, it was just ribbing. But I'm still a dick. Hopefully that doesn't reflect on Filmbrain.
While Tarantino strikes me as a real tool, some of my favorite artists are assholes. I'm quite fond of the work of Japanese psych lord Asahito Nanjo. The man is a genius and a fantastic musician. But he's dishonest and untrustworthy. Ask any musician he's ever worked or played with. Human decency has little to do with artistic merit. It's not quite the same thing, but I recently watched The Third Man, in which Orson Welles said, "In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder, bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love. They had five hundred years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock."
Some of my previous remarks were offered in defense of Tarantino's work, in fact. For example, I think his portrayal of young women may be more realistic than Filmbrain gives him credit for. But I find his public persona, at least, insufferable, and I stand by my insults. Anyway, who cares what an insignificant jerkoff like me thinks? Hopefully Mr. T has sufficiently thick skin to withstand a few jabs from a nobody in a casual blog comment. And while my humor is often dry enough to sail right past many readers, rest assured the following remark is offered entirely in earnest: Whatever anyone may have to say about Quentin Tarantino, you can easily find ten worse things to say about me.
Posted by: Jimmy | Apr 16, 2007 6:04:28 PM
No apology necessary, Donna. I invited it, and anyway, you were right, just for the wrong reasons.
Posted by: Jimmy | Apr 16, 2007 6:06:04 PM
Talk about inquiries into arcane aspects of "Death Proof". I got a good'n for you. Not to flog my post about the film or anything, but I left the following comment for myself, about a subject that, as a graphic designer, I found eye-catching and subtly witty:
"In the Kurt Russell close-up photo (bottom-most),
(SEE: http://figskin.blogspot.com/2007/04/does-grindhouse-cheat-you-fair.html )
he is standing in front of a vending machine picturing a cola brand I don't recognize. This may be another instance of the filmmakers' conscious avoidance of product placement in some, though not all, cases. For instance, I noticed one character pulling a smoke from a phony pack of cigarettes."
Did anyone else pick up on this? If so, is this something Tarantino has done before?
Posted by: John Figler | Apr 16, 2007 6:31:56 PM
The fake brand Red Apple cigarettes have appeared in almost all of QT's films. Not sure about the soda though...
Posted by: Filmbrain | Apr 16, 2007 6:39:19 PM
The Academy of Music theater closed sometime around 1976 if I remember correctly. It became the Palladium where they had live concerts. For a truer grindhouse experience, there was also the Variety Photoplays theater on 12th or 13th Street and 2nd Ave, or close to that intersection. You had to actually go to the theater to see what was playing because the person who answered the phone was going to tell you. Most of the time they showed junk like film by Ted V. Mikels. I usually walked by just to look at the posters. The one time I recall seeing anything there, they showed Henry King's "Carousel" (the only R and H musical I like), with my personal cult film, Noel Black's "Cover Me Babe".
Posted by: Peter Nellhaus | Apr 17, 2007 8:19:01 AM
The cigarettes and cola are just like Big Kahuna Burgers...fun, trivial stuff that gets cycled through many of his films.
My initial thought was that Grindhouse was a really fun experience overall, but if you take all the elements (films and trailers) on their own, the degree of enjoyment and quality varies. After all, it was meant to be a full-blown experience rather than a singular, "good" movie, right?
What I think is most telling about Death Proof is that it has long, boring stretches of dialogue that don't seem on a par with previous QT films, and acting that seems amateur at best in many cases. But when I think back on films I've seen from the era being homage'd, they were rife with boring, badly acted scenes that buffered the action. So in a way, QT has created such a loving tribute to those films that he knows he's making a less than stellar one himself. Which seems great if film is all you care about; not so great if you want vast ticket sales (as one would expect the W's do).
The other thing that stood out after the fact was that much of the hardcore violence was difficult to watch. The tire-over-the-face moment especially rough, I would say. But, during that era, when CG had not yet become the tool of the day, violent effects were sometimes quite horrific, if only because you knew that they somehow made it look like a knife went through a person's head, or something along those lines. With CG effects, you can marvel at how realistic it looks, but you also know it's just a computer graphic and therefore the fright is reduced.
I'm still trying to fathom what the hell was happening in some of the Eli Roth Thanksgiving scenes.
Posted by: Steve from Controlled Burning | Apr 17, 2007 6:52:30 PM
"I'm also not entirely comfortable with Tarantino's handling of Lee (Mary Elizabeth Winstead), the John Hughes-loving actress in the cheerleader outfit (labeled Vipers, natch) who is left behind by her friends as rape bait for hillbilly Jasper (Jonathan Loughran, who played the would-be rapist of comatose Uma Thurman in Kill Bill.) It's a bit of nastiness that, while closer in spirit to a genuine grindhouse film, doesn't quite work with everything leading up to it. It's inconsistent, which ultimately is my biggest complaint with the film." filmbrain.
No inconsistence at all.
Oh, for sure what the women did by leaving Lee on her own, and Abernathy saying Lee is making a porn movie are quite stupid and irresponsible. However, you have made a cardinal error of hillbilly prejudice.
Show this back water guy some love. He obviously was quite meticulous in taking care of that car. He advertised it's sale in the newspaper, and he trusted the women to take it out and return it. Now why would he go out and wreck his chance for what could be a sweet financial windfall for a prized collector's car, by raping Lee?
Granted, he might take too much of a "forward" approach to chatting with Lee, he assuming "porn chicks" are easy, but I believe Lee would be able to sweetly, she having established her charming sweetness, let him know the girls did not tell the truth. With that revelation, he may be a bit upset and quite worried that his car comes back in one piece, but to automatically decide to rape Lee?
That's is some serious prejudice against "hillbillies" there. Not all hillbilly men are inbred rapists.
I left in your Jasper reference from "Kill Bill..." for the simply reason that you made a false assumption that an actor who plays a character type in one movie is automatically playing that same character's action in another movie. You fell into the Tarantino's trick of f'ing with audience expectations. If you think I am off base, listen/read a lot of the disappointment of many "fans" who expected Stuntman Mike to be Snake Plisskin (badass of "Escape from New York"). Tarantino's oeuvre IS about f'ing with audience expectations of genre conventions all the time.
Now, if he was just doing these injokes without any forms of transcendence I would not apprecitate him as artist in the least. I find it shocking that a critical analysis of this film is a bit clouded by prejudice of Quentin Tarantino personality (good or bad) to miss a true masterpiece of cinema poetry in the first half of the "Death Proof." It is a cinematic lyrical treatise on fatalism from the opening shot to the horrorible murders. And this is what makes Tarantino so great; he by his directions and attention to details elevates certain archetype elements of "trash" genre films to make movie art.
"Is Tarantino passing moral judgment with this obvious good girl/bad girl dichotomy?"
No.
After all, practically all of Tarantino's characters so far, do stupid things and/or are criminals. But I felt for the loss of those women as I was dazzled and repulsed by the gore of the death carnage. Theirs were indeed lives taken away in an instant without warning or impending signals to themselves. Arlene might have had a bit of premonition but she was lullabied (quite directly by Julia on the back porch) back to the easy going of a girls' night out not looking for any trouble. For sure, this is quite familiar in the slasher genre convention, but the elements (shots, ordinary dialog (extraordinary in itself for me, no overreaching cleverness), music, etc.) Tarantino uses make the loss of these women cinema mood poetry. It really shows his love for women, and whether we agree that violent revenge is the best way to replace loss in life, at least in the movies were can be rejuvinated by a kick ass carthartic conclusion of a revenge flick conventions. So he gives the women their inspiring moment of glory to overcome victimization. And true to form as a movie making artist Tarantino showcased his virtuosity in the second half as well. "Death Proof" is a cinematic masterpiece of a very high caliber.
I must admit, I approached seeing this film with very low expectations, but to my surprise what a gem I discovered.
Posted by: ColinS | Apr 18, 2007 1:10:44 AM


