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2006.08.10

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The Cinesthete

People are always going to be polarized about everything around 9/11 including this film. Some are going to think its exploitative, some are going to think its honorable. People are always going to argue.

Still, what you really can't argue about is that as a film, WTC was just not that good.

Filmbrain

Succinctly stated, Cinesthete. The film may be called World Trade Center, and it may be set on 9/11, but it actually says very little about that day. Take the same actors, same script, modify it to be trapped miners, or firemen, or schoolchildren and nobody would even pay attention.

Stone brings nothing new or original to the table here. It really is a prime example of a bad Hollywood movie.

WTC Commenter

A few right-leaning publications did give it bad or mixed remarks: Wall Street Journal, Washington Times, NationalReview.com

phyrephox

FB, why did you decide to see this movie but not the Greengrass film?

Filmbrain

A good question, Phyrephox, and now that I have seen WTC, I almost feel obligated to watch the Greengrass film as a comparison.

I originally stayed away from the Greengrass film because it troubled me that much of the material was based on speculation, inconclusive evidence, etc. I didn't (and quite frankly still don't) understand the purpose of imagining how the passengers of F93 reacted.

Rich Drees

My problem with the film, which I won't even get to see until late next week probably, is that due to the subject matter, any critic of the film's technical faults runs the risk of being accussed of attacking the subject matter, i.e.- "If you hated WORLD TRADE CENTER you hate America."

Filmbrain

Rich - you are absolutely right, and it's bullshit. Simply more of "you're with us or against us" mentality that the right loves to cling to.

Dare I wonder if some of the film's critical praise is due to this very fact?

duncan

i think united 93 is a must see. unlike WTC, it is a great film, 9/11 or not. you can see it as much as a film about action movie cliches as a commentary on 9/11. it seemed totally apolitical to me. i haven't seen his guantanamo movie yet though, so who knows what that's about.

James Russell

I haven't seen the film, but I have read some of Brent Bozell's stuff in the past, and if he likes WTC, that frankly makes me worry about it. Not that it will necessarily be a bad film, but what its politics will be.

See United 93 as well. It generally resists the temptation to Hollywoodise the events of that morning and does a pretty good job of visualising the unimaginable. Mind you, it's so shattering I'm not sure I'd ever want to sit through it a second time myself.

Geeno

When I first heard about this film, I thought "two guys survived, good for them - thousands didn't". I just can't see anyway to derive entertainment from 9/11 while the culprits are still at large. It's too unresolved for feel good moments.

plutonious monk

9/11 hysteria has been hyped by the media and pimped by Republicans pols for almost 5 years now. Isn't it now time for Americans to grow a bit and quit wallowing in the sick fear and enjoyment derived fromm wallowing in the events of that day.

plutonious monk

9/11 hysteria has been hyped by the media and pimped by Republicans pols for almost 5 years now. Isn't it now time for Americans to grow a bit and quit wallowing in the sick fear and enjoyment derived fromm wallowing in the events of that day.

plutonious monk

9/11 hysteria has been hyped by the media and pimped by Republicans pols for almost 5 years now. Isn't it now time for Americans to grow a bit and quit wallowing in the sick fear and enjoyment derived fromm wallowing in the events of that day.

Diorist

As the lone person in our screening who disliked the movie, I also wondered whether I was just allergic to the topic. Honestly, I'm not over 9/11. But even aside from that, there are a few specific things I hated about the movie:

1. The cartoonlike look and dialog of Karnes. I know he’s a real person, but the onscreen image is a joke.

2. The lack of global, political, or even civil context (FB, you described it well)

3. The lack of heroism by the “heroes.” What the hell were they doing? They didn't save anyone. They didn't comfort anyone. They didn't even talk about wanting to save anyone. It seemed like they deliberately dragged their feet collecting equipment until a building fell on them. Was that supposed to be dramatic tension?

4. The seemingly calculated portrayal of the central police team as subintelligent. They stared open-mouthed at wounded civilians staggered by. They stared open-mouthed at wreckage falling from the sky. They stared open-mouthed at other rescue personnel rushing between towers. Their dialog was inane. They come across as people who would have a hard time achieving dinner, much less a rescue.

I almost prefer to think the movie is a cynical sneer than to think of it as the soul of 9/11. In fact, I know the latter isn't true. So, the way I see it, WTC is either a simple sell-out (what happened to you, Oliver?), or it's a scathing criticism of a nation that has no soul or memory, only sentimentality waiting to be manipulated and monetized. Either way, it's fairly outrageous.

Steve

UNITED 93 is brilliant, and it didn't seem apolitical to me. The politics, though buried, are in the confusion of the military and federal bureacracy, and the implication (documented by the 9/11 Commission, though not well-publicized until recently) that no one knew what the hell was going on until seconds before the plane crashed (Cheney's post-9/11 comments about orders to shoot it down notwithstanding).

kei & yuri

We hope you will not find the comparison too stretched, but we think the salient other media product to compare it to is a thirty second drug commercial featuring a middle-aged waitress who inexplicably has the funds and dietary options to talk to her doctor about cholesterol. We know plenty of middle-aged waitresses in gorgeously greasy diners. They might see an ObGyn for a "special case" but in general they don't even get regular checkups or have a GP. None are that worried about cholesterol, which they swim in. The commercial is a grotesque case of willful class unconciousness, a totally mendacious grafting of upper middle class values and circumstances onto a lower class service industry worker, at best for a cheesy line about tipping at the end. But like Stonedboy's hoopjumping monkey impression ("I'm so sorry for making Salvador. Will you let my kids go now?" "No. Remake the Green Berets -- with Matthew McConnaghey in John Wayne's part!" "No my dark masters, that is too evil!"), it is another case of Stalinist America. Growing up during the cold war we thought that the hallmark of totalitarian propaganda, the fantastic disregard for reality, would always sink its attempts to mislead a populace who knew better. We never took into account what effectiveness it could have against a populace that knows better, but nevertheless wants it to be true.

Kae Seki

Filmbrain will never get sucked into those Republican family values.

Little Filmbrain: Daddy, can we have a catch.

Filmbrain: How can you ask such a thing? Daddy needs to drink scotch and watch Koreans torture school girls.

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