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2005.12.21

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Edmund

Ugh. Leave Kieslowski out of this.

Mikko

Jurgen,

I find your thoughts on A.I. ludicrously repugnant. Even the thought of Spielberg being capable of making an "infinitely richer" film than Kubrick is, well, to put it mildly, a little out there.

The point I'm after here is that no one has seen A.I. by Kubrick. Whatever you have imagined based on scripts or whatever is not even remotely comparable to what might have ended up on the screen, had Kubrick been there to produce it himself.

But I imagine we can't really have a serious discussion on this matter as I have only seen A.I. once. I can't remember much of it, because half the time I was cringing in my chair covering my eyes and trying not to feel so embarrassed for Spielberg.

cinetrix

Filmbrain,

When you say, "To call the scene ham-fisted would be an understatement," does that mean it's kosher--or treyf?

Jurgen

Mikko:

I should clarify that by saying Kubrick is my absolute favourite filmmaker, and I don't for a second think had Spielberg made, say, "Full Metal Jacket" it would have been a superior film. (A part of me will always resent "Schindler's List" for leading Kubrick to shelve "Aryan Papers".) But given "A.I."'s specific themes and its narrative demands, I honestly believe the Kubrick-Spielberg hybrid is an infinitely richer film than had the colder Kubrick had tackled it alone. Full stop. Like I said above, I think "A.I."'s greatness derives from Spielberg's willingness to embrace the human emotions in a story that is about the (possible) emotions of non-humans within a structure plays against Kubrick's intellectual vision and pragmatic existentialism. Spielberg's earnest emotionalism is completely essential to the film's success. The fact that Kubrick (supposedly) discussed producing the film for Spielberg suggests that he realised it as well.

Campaspe

Absolutely superb review. I haven't seen the movie, and have no idea whether I will agree with your thoughts (I suspect I will), but this was just sheer pleasure to read.

greg samsa

I think the main problem with your review is it ignores the films greatest strength. Questions of morality aside this is one hell of a gripping movie. From the opening attack on the Olympic compound, the planning of the mission, and the methodical ticking off of names from the list, the first hour and a half especially were totally engrossing. To me it brings to mind The Battle of Algiers and the best moments of Stone’s Nixon and JFK. Some of the sequences I found to be truly outstanding, the Israeli Special Forces attack in Lebanon, the Athens hotel room bombing, the inter-cutting of documentary and news footage during the initial standoff in Munich. Spielberg’s endings continue to be problematic in terms of finishing things off in a timely and satisfying way, but I certainly found it a compelling choice to end on the image of the two towers. What other narrative films from Hollywood have ever dared question the way the “war on terror” is being waged, even if it does so here in a roundabout way. I don't expect any film to solve the moral dilemma of the Irsaeli Palestinean conflict. In an age of infantile blockbusters I do find it refreshingly relevant that a Hollywood filmmaker is willing to ask these questions even if no answers are given. Beyond the films content though, in terms of form this was an incredibly beautiful film to look at. The art direction, costumes and cinematography create such an evocative and credible facsimile of the era - I can't think of a film that has even done it as well. The level of filmmaking at work to me seems far beyond the Soderberg-lite of Syriana.

missj

thank you. this is a bloated film from a bloated ego. did you notice that the little Arab girl was even dessed in red, a reference to the little girl in Schindler's List? sorry all of you who liked the movie, but S's mistrust of his audience is getting real old.

it's only stating the obvious to dwell on the offensiveness of the sex & violence scene.

i was 18 when the munich massacre happened. any of us who witnessed this is every bit the authority that Mr. BigFilmMakerAuteur. he got it all wrong.

and as cinema - it sucks out loud.

Eric

I disagree with your interpretation for why he wished he covered the female assassin with her robe. He enjoyed looking at her and he couldn't get the image out of his head. I'm almost positive about this. It makes the controversial sex scene at the end much clearer. Keep in mind Spielberg is not Lang so you have to be careful on how you read into his films' moral agenda. He's just as sexually disturbed as every other filmmaker, don't let his family films fool you. Take another look at MUNICH, it might be one of the darkest films he's made simply for these reasons alone.

marz

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/26/arts/26conn.html?pagewanted=2

marz

rather:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/26/arts/26conn.html

Filmbrain

Greg --

There's amazing potential for this to be a gripping political thriller. However, Spielberg destroys it by turning it into a morality lesson. The countless number of pedestrian dialogs between the assassins destroys the flow (as does Spielberg's ego).

I do, however, agree with you about the filmmaking itself. It is one of the best looking films of the year.

Greg Samsa

Well nobody can accuse Spielberg of moral complexity. At the same time however these scenes didn't really diminish the assination and espionage story for me. In looking back on it they remind me more of the scenes that link the big set peices of The Wild Bunch, with the characters sitting around analyzing what they are doing and questioning if any of it is worth it. The other thing is that these guys in their dayjobs were tradesmen, I don't expect them to sound like a bunch of philosphy graduate students when talking about life and death, and right and wrong.

As to the look, I think the scene with Bana and Rush walking on the Israeli beachfront is one of the most beautifully shot I've seen all year.

fission mailed!!!!!

Ugh. *Leave* The Wild Bunch out of *this*.

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