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Aaron

I've never seen it, but your reaction seems similar to mine after his recent The Company, and more than anything else, I'm just excited to read you calling anything potentially "pretentious drivel." (Heh.)

Sal C.

Alas, this was my first Altman experience - also back in college (I am convinced the professor showed the film because it was the cheapest 16mm rental she could get for that week). I doubt Altman-worshipper Armond White himself could find anything positive to say about this convoluted mess. In fact, I don't recall if Pauline Kael even reviewed the thing despite her love for almost all things Altman. Luckily a complete retro at A.M.M.I. 3 years later opened my eyes to his many remarkable films and he remains my favorite American film director to this day.

Robert Hunt

It's been a few years since I watched "Quintet" - and I will admit that it's an oddly dry film, but I've actually come to like it. You may recall that it was actually based on a boardgame that Altman invented - and it seems to me that without understanding the game they're playing, the film is near incomprehensible.(I've read the instructions to the game -they were in the press kit - and it's even harder to make sense out of than the film....) Aside from the game-like structure, the film has something of a Spaghetti Western-gone-astray quality, (- a stranger comes to town....) though not enough for Altman to really work with. The best criticism of the film I've read - and the most favorable - was a combined review with "Health" in 'Sight and Sound' back in '79 or '80.
I have to disagree with you on "Popeye", though, which, for all its flaws, is one of my favorites....

Filmbrain

Altman is one of my favorites as well -- which makes not liking the film that much harder on me.

As for Kael, though a huge Altman supporter, even she couldn't get behind Quintet. She had this to say about it:

"Altman has reached the point of wearing his failures like medals. He's creating a mystique of heroism out of emptied theaters."

And Robert, you misunderstand me about Popeye. I too love it, though there's no clearer example of Altman's excess. (The budget, the drug use, etc.)

la_depressionada

you know i remember thinking even at the wedding -- this guy who had so deftly tapped into something fundamental (and fleeting) about what was going on in american culture in the 1970s -- its deconstruction i think -- was no longer capturing its cadences so perfectly. (o that's a rotten sentence, but what he did rhythmically and why it was so exciting was more visceral and therefore hard to explain.)what was great was that he did it even in period pieces like m&mrs m -- o a "movie pairing" ha. that movie was so 70s.

even though i probably saw 90% of his films after a wedding it wasn't until tanner that i thought he once again captured that kind of timeliness he had in (particularly) the early 70s. 3 women represented a kind of zenith for that period i think.

dvd

This film sounds fascinating, a failure though it may be - but like A Wedding, it seems I'm destined not to see it unless I break down and get cable TV.

This Kael quote - "He's creating a mystique of heroism out of emptied theaters" - cracks me up. I was trying to describe my own inclination towards non-commercial filmmaking to someone earlier today, and this is precisely what I should have said.

dvd

Nice new banner, by the way. Historians will one day note this as signifying the onset of Filmbrain's moody period.

Jordan Hoffman

Pauline Kael wasn't always an Altman booster -- she trashed "Images" too.

My thoughts on quintet (from my blog):

Quintet (1979), Robert Altman, F
Insufferable. One of the worst films I've ever seen. I like slow movies. I even like the occasional movie where you have no idea what is going on. But I don't like slow movies where you don't know what's going on that look like shit! Last Year At Marienbad at least has gorgeous photography. Quintet is blurry. I'm not kidding. The whole film has an irised out-of-focus effect happening. I kept wiping my glasses! Another annoying thing is that when you read the blurb it sounds interesting -- at least interesting enough for an episode of "Star Trek." (The idea is, basically, a post-apocalyptic world where the surviving citzenry are so bored they play a board game with lethal stakes for entertainment.) It's basically Mad Max or Rollerball but with no intelligence or energy. Seriously, 24 minutes passed before anything resembling an introduction happened. I'm sure that there just wasn't enough footage to make this feature length so they had to use every shot they had. There're long takes of people walking walking walking, then speaking some pseudo-intellectual dialogue, then more walking. Altman must've been in the depths of drug addiction when he made this. I almost wish you do see this picture, just so you can see how bad it is. Paul Newman better've been paid well to besmirch his good name on this one.

psytrance

I like the film

Aaron Hillis

Well, something here worked because I now want to see this train wreck for myself.

Peter Nellhaus

I saw Quintet when it came out. I only remember that I felt it was a big miss on Altman's part.

I did want to thank you for letting me know about Spider Forest. I saw it on DVD. I have electricity, but no internet of my own, which is why my site hasn't been updated since Hurricane Wilma.

Speaking of disappointments, I saw Initial D and wondered how it was a big hit in Asia, and why Lau and Mak couldn't follow up the Infernal Affairs trilogy with something a little more substantial.

la_depressionada

hey babe that picture of new pic of ak is smokin'. so heroin chic.

Donald Melanson

I haven't seen it, but it sounds more than a little like THX-1138, right down to the use of exisiting, futuristic-looking locations. Can anyone who's seen both offer a better comparison?

Eric Henderson

I saw it with a seminarian friend of mine, and we both thought it was odd but interesting.

Here's City Pages' Matthew Wilder on the film:

http://www.citypages.com/databank/23/1122/article10461.asp

And here's what I wrote on the same trio Wilder wrote about (except for that I never did finish thoughts on the third one):

http://www.livejournal.com/users/ephender/18097.html

pontster

Saw this when I was 20 and still don't know why I found it fascinating...then managed to get these promotional materials off the theater manager that consisted of the rules for the game...no lie. It seems this film was released during the Big Backgammon craze of the late 1970s; therefore Quintet resembles backgammon, but instead of the bar there was neutral space--"limbo"--that, if occupied by one of your two active gamepieces, protected you from being killed. There was a frontgame and an endgame (consisting of the last of the five frontgame players and a "Sixth Man" who up to that point had acted as a trickster-adjudicator figure. Playing proceeded clockwise, with the order of play determined by the "Sixth Man". During the endgame, if double fives were rolled on the dice, a player would then achieve the "perfect kill" and would announce that feat by saying "Quintet".

This is all from memory--I've long since lost those promotional items. The only other thing I remember was hearing "Black Angel's Death Song" by the Velvets on the way to the movie and imagining the song had secret associational value vis a vis the movie (which simply wasn't there).

The game is OK--rather well designed. It's the movie that--especially upon rewatching--turns your brain to moldy Cheese Whiz (tm). Sorry, no defender here.

John

I too was one of those 14 year old kids back in 1979 who sneaked in to see this sci-fi flick. To be quite honest, I enjoyed the ambiance and the mystery of the movie. Furthermore, I grabbed a stack of the press kit handouts that provided instructions for the actual board game. This lead to my home made creation of the board game that was played with my teen friends. Somewhere in storage a few copies of that promo handout still exist and I will scan it someday when I come across it. Let me know if anyone is interested in a copy. My email is gradalis AT u.washington.edu.

Adam Zanzie

"Quintet" is an Altman masterpiece. An exerpt from the essay on the film posted at my own blog:

"The frozen wasteland which serves as the backdrop for 'Quintet' is like an all-you-can-eat dessert buffet for the eyes and the imagination. You cannot take your eyes off of it. This is a blindingly white, snowy tundra that stretches in two directions: in the South, there used to be seals to hunt, but no longer; and in the North, well... nobody knows what's up there. And in between are the last remaining people on Earth, stranded in their own hellish limbo, with nothing left to live for in life other than to enact the violence merely alluded to in what appears to be everyone's favorite board game. This is a survival of the fittest story, set in a futuristic ice age where there is nothing but ice and snow everywhere. In short, it's my kind of movie."

dan

I have watched Quintet maybe ten times, and I confess I find it visually transfixing. Don't bother with the story--"intellectually fraudulent" seems quite right, actually--rather, allow yourself to be enveloped by the hypnotic visuals. The multi-layered "sets" (not sets, mostly, as we all know; I was at Man and His World in 68 when I was 5 and even then I knew that a science fiction film had to be shot there), produce remarkably complex visual textures that genuinely beguile. Scott Bushnell's costumes are stunning, and Tom Pierson's score is fascinating. I will eventually complete my little Quintet page, but here it is it partial form: http://seedyroad.com/various/quintet.htm

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