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2005.08.15

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Josh

Couldn't this arguably be considered a Miike Effect? To me, Oldboy just felt like the Boondock Saints to Dead or Alive's Reservoir Dogs or Ichi the Killer's Pulp Fiction. Though I didn't like Oldboy to begin with, and I haven't seen this movie, so...

Filmbrain

I see vast differences between Miike and Park. Park's interest in revenge is very much his own, in my opinion, and shares little with the hyper-kineticism of the Dead or Alive trilogy. Don't get me wrong -- I'm a Miike fan as well, but I don't believe Miike had a huge (if any) influence on Park.

Sarmoung

I'm intrigued, but more excited by the prospect of Park's Sympathy for Lady Vengeance or whatever they end up calling it outside of Korea. I think it's just out and I hope it makes it to London in time for the film festival in the autumn. If not, I'll be in Seoul in November anyway.

I still find myself thinking of Miike as Japan's Fassbinder. A thought that really doesn't stand up to much scrutiny beyond prolific output! Although a double bill of Gozu with Satan's Brew would work well.

Filmbrain

I too am excited about the third film in Park's revenge trilogy. Everything I've read about it so far has been positive, though it's meant to be quite different from Oldboy in its narrative pacing.

andrew

Yeah, the only thing Miike and Park have in common in my view is that they are both Asians making movies with violent action scenes. Saw Bittersweet recently and thought it was ok but nothing special but really liked the supporting cast.

msic

It would make sense that LADY is slower than OLDBOY. One of the things that's so impressive about MR. VENGEANCE (which I think is a much better film that OLDBOY) is the way it combines ultra-violence with a lugubrious pace, really drawing the audience in and asking us to sit with the tragic consequences of these violent acts. I would expect that the weight of the events in MR. VENGEANCE would make LADY VENGEANCE an even more downcast film.

MadP

Comparing OldBoy and A Bittersweet life is what is tiresome, dull and boring... Any violent Korean film that preceded Oldboy was going to be compared to it. If Die Bad was released after Oldboy comparisons would be made.

These are two VERY different films and should be treated as such. A few common cast members and an art director are far from undeniable influences.

Although I could talk for hours about how they are different, it's a waste of time to compare/contrast OldBoy and Bittersweet life and explain how they're not even close to similiar films.

Filmbrain

MadP - I don't think this is a simple case of "violent movie, therefore automatic comparison to Oldboy". The similarities between the two go well beyond the fact that they are both violent.

I agree with you -- the two films are different, but I can't help but think Kim allowed the critical praise and success of Oldboy to influence his directorial choices somewhat.

Regardless, even without the comparison, I still find A Bittersweet Life dramatically thin.

MadP

To support my arguement... Bittersweet Life was the first violent film to come out after OldBoy and I feel that critics were waiting for the "follow up" to the violence...

Bittersweet life IS dramatically thin which is one of the BIGGEST differences. The story is simple, and the pacing was a lot slower. If it was TRYING to be OldBoy one of the things they would've done was to speed up the pace. It's not very hard to do!

OldBoy was a very surreal and visually compelling. A Bittersweet Life wasn't! All the sets were very down to earth and ordinary. Take the last scene of BSL and compare to Oldboy. Lavish sets were not there, ie no swimming pool canals and such in BSL.

The reason I have a problem with this review, is because it's NOT a review.
A novice film critic (at best) is doing a comparison between the last great violent film and the new violent film. If that critic is looking to improve, take a film for what it is and review that film. Don't make your review headline the equivent of "The OldBoy influence and the copy cat films that are following."

It's very ingenious and amateurish.

win

我觉得很多地方相似,从电影语言的角度讲,就是抄袭嘛

nkw88

Before JSA, PARK Chan-Wook published the book of his film criticisms.
It is "The Discrete Charm of Watching Cinema" which is filled
with very unique view and perspective about many films.

The impressive one is his review of Sergio Leone's .
In his review, Park interprets this Western film as the primitive accumulation of capital in North America in Marxist term.

That is, film noir, Western, and classical Hong Kong Wuxia pian are the main resource of Park's
film, which can be compared with Tarantino's film world.

But a difference is Park's undergraduate major,
philosophy, and his experience of student
activism, I guess. Those experience and sensibility are related to his social engagement
and commentary in his film, Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance and Old Boy.

When I heard his make of Lady Vengeance, it may
be compared to , which is also
related to Tarantino's .

Let's find what's different and similar.

fagboy

"PoMo"????? OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLD!

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