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2005.07.11

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Todd

There ARE songs? Excellent. I was under the impression there weren't going to be, for some reason, and I've been telling everyone that it would suck for that reason. I guess I might have to go see this...

Filmbrain

Yes, the songs are great -- mostly because it gave Elfman a chance to let loose and write things that sound vaguely Oingo Boingo-ish at times.

Adam

Am I the only person who was freaked out big time by the original Willy Wonka? That kid going up the tube, and the kid shrinking, the other kid expanind, man, that was psychic damage for me as a child. It was a good kid's film, but it still messed with my sleep for a while.

Well, at least I wasn't the only one EXTREMELY disappointed in BIG FISH. Although my disappointment has a great deal to do w/ the White-washing politics of it. (Yes, Daddy, I'll just believe your lies, excuse me, myths, so as to ignore our country's history to enable a relationship with you and to purchase a nice house in the suburbs with a pool where I can pass on my father's lies, sorry, myths again, to my children. The End of History, indeed.)

Filmbrain

Oh yes....it was incredibly disturbing. The boat ride alone gave me nightmares for weeks -- but I was drawn to it still.

Jay Blanchard

I agree with Filmbrain that David Lynch would have been an interesting choice for director. I would have loved to have seen Terry Gilliam direct it.

Josh

Damn...I was hanging out with some friends with little taste the other day, and they gave me that exact same dillemma of "worse ways to spend two hours"

War of the Worlds isn't so bad though, provided you have someone to make fun of it with. Well, and if you managed to sneak a whole chicken into the theater to pass around.

patry

I want the old Johnny Depp back.

dvd

I agree with Filmbrain's review of this film almost wholeheartedly, although I did very much enjoy Christopher Lee's scenes. And those braces were as pure Burton as the sequences set outside the factory at the beginning of the film.

The part that irked me the most was the elevator. What a wonderful deprivation of our imagination those sequences were! Especially since we've already seen the exact same middling CGI effects once this year in another mildly pleasant adaptation, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy.

Aaron Hillis

I thought that was well. Funny enough, Cinesite was the F/X team behind both Charlie and Hitchhiker's...

Aaron Hillis

Make that AS, not was. Unless you're walking the dinosaur, in which case it's WAS, not was.

Filmbrain

So right about the elevator!

The scenes with Lee weren't bad (except for that final one) -- but they had no place in this film.

(Nice semi-obscure 80s reference Aaron. Took me a few minutes. . .)

dvd

Filmbrain, you mention that Big Fish was Spielbergian, which isn't too far from the truth, given that Spielberg was attached to it before Burton - but what did you think of the ending? The film never really impressed me until that final surreal story, which a.) was the last time I honestly cried in a movie and b.) was some of Burton's best honest-to-goodness directing in over a decade. And his love of Fellini movies was at its most evident there, too.

Filmbrain

By the film's end, I felt that the schmaltz had been poured on so think, that I was unable to feel anything.

The Fellini comment is interesting -- I have to think about that one for a while.

While it had the playfulness of Fellini, there was a certain disingenuity over the whole thing. Think of Big Fish versus Amarcord, for example.

dvd

Actually, Amarcord was exactly what I was thinking of - not through the whole movie, mind you, but in that closing fantasy sequence; it's sentimental surreality, but of a completely different sort than the frequently mawkish stuff that comes before it. And its blessedly effects-free (at least until the lame CGI fish shows up in the final shot).

Burton's been quoted a few times as saying that Fellini is one of his favorite filmmakers - not that anyone who's seen Pee Wee's Big Adventure wouldn't be able to guess that, of course.

la depressionada

wild strawberries is the film that hovered over my childhood -- followed by roma citta aperta a close second. i can't wait for the remakes of those.

i hate tim burton he's WAY TOO CURLY(and what a dickwad to nail that no-neck bonham-carter behind his hot g/f's back). too f'en curly. wouldn't he make goddard cringe don't you think?

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