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2004.12.27

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Greg Samsa

Mesmerizing, hypnotic, lush, disjointed, dreamlike, hallucinatory, episodic, sensual, moving - in short a Wong Kar Wai movie. Apocalypse Chow?

md'a

I must say I'm disappointed that you (and so many others) have chosen to experience this film for the first time on video. Does nobody have any patience anymore?

Filmbrain

That's a fair criticism -- and I have to admit that I thought about it for a few days before watching it -- but I don't think it's simply a question of patience. I would never have discovered all the great Korean films I've seen if it wasn't for video. Believe me, I don't like that that's the case, but should I deny myself a film because nobody has found it in their best interest financially to release a film? I'm fortunate enough to live in NYC, and have had a chance to see every Hong Sang-soo film on the big screen, but what if one lives in Kansas?

And another thing -- even when 2046 is released, it will probably play on a tiny screen that won't do justice to the Cinemascope beauty of the film

Steve

I would hold off on 2046 because I'm sure we'll get a chance to see it theatrically. (As for the screen size issue, I wouldn't be surprised if its NYC debut takes place at the Walter Reade's "FILM COMMENT Selects" program.) However, DVD has made it possible to see many Asian films without waiting for an American festival or distributor to pick them up. Who knows when MCDULL, PRINCE DE LA BUN, THREE...EXTREMES or ONE NITE IN MONGKOK will play New York theatrically? (MY LIFE AS MCDULL never did.) How can you even attempt to keep up with the Takashi Miike oeuvre without video? Between a number of commercial releases, the Imaginasian's Korean fest and the Walter Reade's Korean series, it's been fairly easy to see films from that country in New York in 2004, but how could anyone have known that a year ago? Video can be a helpful way of filling in the gaps. The problem comes when it supersedes theatrical screenings.

Sal C.

Further to Filmbrain's final point, I saw In the Mood for Love at the Village East in NYC on a dingy screen no bigger than 8' x 6'. And I had to pay $10 for the privilege. I was on the fence regarding the 2046 DVD, but Filmbrain's review convinced me to take a chance. Will I go see it if/when it shows up on the big screen here in New York? Of course. But given the lack of quality theatres showing 'art' films in the city I feel comfortable watching it for the first time on my widescreen Toshiba at home. In my pajamas.

Mikko Pihkoluoma

For what it's worth, I saw 2046 in 35mm (we've had it in theaters in Helsinki for a month or so now) and my reaction to it couldn't have been extrapolated better than what Filmbrain wrote here. And I think the lukewarm critical reaction is justified.

I was very intrigued to hear that Wong has said there's enough material for another film on the cutting room floor, because that's what it feels like. The film is a bit too long, as it is, but it also feels bigger than it is. As if there were more grand plans for it, and it fell a bit short of the grandeur... But yet still, as a result, is overlong in its own whole.

md'a

I make allowances for people who live in Kansas or the equivalent. But I'll bet you any sum you like that 2046 will screen in New York City by the end of 2005. And even the dinky Film Forum screens are preferable to a television set.

Obscure Korean films that may not show up in repertory for 20 years are another matter. But this is the new Wong we're talking about.

Filmbrain

But Mike, let's not forget that many "professional" critics write their reviews based on screeners -- a sad fact. These are films that they can see theatrically.

Sure, the Film Forum is a step up, but just.

Greg Samsa

Most of my favorite films I've seen first on video. Citizen Kane, Vertigo, etc. It's just not feasible to wait for something to screen and hope to see everything you want to.

Hell, when I think of the shitty VHS bootlegs of Godard films, duped Wong Kar Wai tapes with homemade labels from mom and pop video rental places in Chinatown - compared to that watching 2046 on DVD on an HDTV with a good 5.1 system is paradise!

Would I love to drive up the street to the Arclight and watch 2046 in 35mm? Of course, but I am not going to wait 2 years for it. Thank god for home video and DVD so we can watch these films whenever we want to.

Filmbrain

watching 2046 on DVD on an HDTV with a good 5.1 system is paradise!

Hey Greg -- can I come over to your place to watch it?

wayne

I've seen 2046 four times on the big screen already. Neener neener neener.

The one WKW movie that 2046 most resembles is Ashes of Time. Both involve extended voice-over narration, a convulted plot with several different storylines that require multiple viewings to really get a handle on, and all-star casts. But 2046 is the more emotionally mature of the two. The only emotion in Ashes of Time is pure, unadulterated and unrequited longing. When you're finally able to decode all the different stories, it feels like it's a movie directed by a 17-year old who was just been dumped and who thinks human relationships bring nothing but pain. On the other hand, yes, 2046 has longing, but there's also joy and lust and jealousy. It feels like a movie that's been directed by an adult.

Still, Ashes of Time is worth checking out. Unfortunately, the only DVD version available is a TERRIBLE transfer by Mei Ah.

Does 2046 work without having seen ITMFL? No, in that we learn that Tony Leung womanizing stems from the fact that he still can't get over his relationship with Maggie Cheung. Also, there are several references in 2046 to ITMFL. Like when Tony Leung writes a martial arts novel with Wang Fei, which doesn't have as much meaning if you didn't know how Tony Leung and Maggie Cheung tried to write a martial arts story in the first movie.

Furthermore, 2046 puts an end to a silly debate I had with some friends, who insisted that Tony and Maggie did NOT consummate their relationship in ITMFL.

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