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2004.11.05

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cynthia

i feel similarly about having just watched fog of war for the first time just after bush was elected. eerie.

Bill

Disinfranchised? How? Didn't you vote? Do you really think the voters in the so called red states didn't consider the facts? Are the coastal elites so conceited that they cannot abide by the democratic process?????????\

Filmbrain

To be honest -- no, I don't think the people who voted for Bush (in both red and blue states) did consider the facts.

Marie

"Do you really think the voters in the so called red states didn't consider the facts?"

What facts? The fact that there is high unemployment? The fact that the standard of US education is the worst for years? The fact that there is a crippling national debt? The fact that the war in Iraq has been proved to be based on lies (ie NO WMDs)? The fact that civil liberties have been eroded? The fact that millions more are living in poverty than when Bush was elected and rates of child poverty have also increased drastically?

Or the fact that voting red means that two men can't now have a civil partnership?

I'm from the UK and watched the election with incredulity. Liberals in the US, you have my sympathy. I'd offer my home to you all as asylum seekers but think that you should stay and fight. Two years till the next congressional elections - you can sink the neocons.

And I can't wait to see this film - sounds great but I'm not sure when it will be released into the UK.

Mary


For the first time in many years, we HAVE considered ALL the facts. Liberals hate Bush; conservatives love him. Take a long look at the red/blue map, esp by counties. The people have spoken!

keith

By the way, Bush did not win in 2000 nor 2004. Kerry won the electoral vote and he also won the popular vote by about 3%. A study of the exit polls say the odds are 16,400,000 to 1 in Kerry's favor. The reason the voting machines say Bush won is because they were manipulated by the Republican corporations that made them. We are not allowed to see how they work. Paper ballots are fewer and fewer. Gore got 650,000 votes more than Bush and Kerry got over 10% more than Gore.
Max Cleland did not lose to Chambliss. Mondale did not lose to Thume.
The reason Bush is at 43% approval and 49% disapproval now is because he never even won an election.
Many were saying before the invasion that there were no WMD---they just could not get on the mainstream media. Guess what? There were no WMD. Many were saying Bush wanted to invade no matter what the intelligence said---they just could not get in the mainstream media. Now we have the smoking gun Downing Street Memo proving it was true and the media will barely mention it 17 days after it is in the British press. Still think the media has a liberal bias? They won't mention the theft of our democracy by the current administration. By the way, the media is owned by large Republican corporations.

Peter

I am a huge admirer of Sean Penn's acting ability and persona. Filmbrain's review of this film is the most unique and perhaps sympathetic that I have read. I suffer from depression (myself). I am actually psychologically afraid of this film, as much as I am still intrigued by it. Perhaps someday I will watch it, I don't know. But I do know that the madness of hurting fellow human beings is never the answer. I personally have experienced instability. I have faced disability and social alienation. These things have been horrible. And my emotional judgement has been impaired and misunderstood at points in my life. I have made mistakes. But to my deepest soul I could never hurt anyone. There is and never could be any justification. Thank you.

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