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Aaron H.

I thought that unlike Donnie Darko and the last few Lynch-ings, Primer is actually solveable (I got it in two screenings) and not just the moderately connected tapestry of dadaist moments like those aforementioned films (which I do love, don't get me wrong). As far as a need for emotional attachment, I thought it would have been out of place here--personally, I'd feel more dettached to the story if I was being taught to care for the characters with anything more than an objective curiousity--I think it would have made me even more conscious that I was watching a movie... instead, it was like a riveting little sci-fi novella-on-film (as opposed to an adaptation of a novella). I will agree that it's so convoluted that it isn't a stand-alone thing... you are forced to watch it more than once to fully "get it," which is a bit unfair, but when all the puzzle pieces are actually there on-screen... well, I championed the film, and look forward to Carruth's next. Check out my review, if'n yr interested.

dave f.

Nice reviews, guys. I agree with Aaron insofar as an emotional inlet is concerned. The movie's near obsession with retaining objectivity, thereby creating the near unbreakable narrative code, enables it to achieve its sense of the surreal in the face of a strict code of unfettered, unbiased, reportage. I do not claim to have been able to put the movie together, having only seen it once, and despite the scant 77 min. running time, I did find myself drifting at points, almost unwilling to break through the movies almost off-putting sense of distance. Kubrick references abound, but without the intense and vivid portraits of unreliable or mistaken narrators. I do think that out of this years crop of hyped, young indie filmmakers (Napoleon the most obvious), Carruth is the true star who hopefully has greater things ahead of him.

Matt Winchell

That's the Bergman's film "Saraband", right? I didn't know that was playing at the NYFF...Cool beans.

FIlmbrain

It's not so much the need of being "taught" to care for the characters, but maybe a modicum of back-story might have been in order. Relationships in the film are all so cold, so clinical, that's it's more than a bit off-putting.

Nice review though. But as you say, maybe it's a film only a math-geek can love.

FIlmbrain

Yeah -- getting the Bergman film was a real coup for the festival. He rejected requests from many other festivals. (He thought it was simply a TV movie -- nothing more.)

phyrephox

I don't think Primer had anything to do about caring about its characters (like 2001, though I think any comparisons between the two are bunk). I found the clinical style to speak for the kind of people these were, rather than a failed way of making me care or be interested.

Thanks for the link rep by the way.

Woman is the Future of Man was my favourite of the festival as well. I have problems with Tropical Malady. I completely value its qualities (it is a highly remarkable film), but I simply could not get into it. I dunno. Maybe I need to see it again. But after having seen Blissfylly Yours, I think I just don't respond well to Weerasethakul's technique, even though I think he is very talented and highly unusual

FIlmbrain

Even in 2001, Kubrick gives us some detail about Dave Bowman (was that his name?) -- why else would there be the scene with his parents? The things he does once he wakes up, how he spends his time, etc. -- this give us some grounding of who he is, and there is no surprise at the way in which he reacts to the situations that follow. Even Dr. Floyd -- you could easily write a character sketch of him, but you could you do that for anybody in Primer?

Maybe I shouldn't have expressed it as a need to care about the characters, but the thing is -- techy geeks are people too. Even if you wish to write a screenplay about "those kind of people", there are ways of introducing them as such. Otherwise, all you are left with is the clever idea, which on its own wasn't enough to keep me interested.

FIlmbrain

I agree with Aaron H that Carruth is definitely somebody to keep an eye on, and he certainly is doing something more interesting than the typical "indie" director.

dvd

I agree with both points about Primer -- that it doens't have an emotional core, or very much of one at least, and also that it might have hurt the movie more if it had one. It's so insanely tight as it it, and allowing the characters to breath (so to speak), while it may have allowed for some brief connectivity on an emotional level, would ultimately hinder the film more than help it. It's sorta old news now, but I've got an interview with Shane Carruth at my site, in which he talks about indie filmmaking and his next projects and other stuff: http://www.road-dog-productions.com/primerinterview.html

Dave

I found "Tropical Malady" exciting in how confusing it was, if that makes sense. Because to me it wasnt JUST confusing - the second half echoed the concerns of the first but in an abstract, increasingly bizarre way. It did leave me confused, but also intrigued to see it again and try to further understand. To me the first half's relatively straightforward relationship story continually hinted at the idea that one person is never really understanding what's going on inside the other person's head, and perhaps even what's going on inside himself. And then the second half was an experimental attempt to capture some of those hard-to-define feelings in a way that was more impressionistic than literal. Here's my attempt to write about it - I think I'd need to see it again to be more articulate about it and not as general: http://www.erasingclouds.com/1020apichatpong.html

FIlmbrain

Dave -- thanks for the link -- I enjoyed the review.

J.W.B.

Woman is the Future of Man was my favourite of the festival as well. I have problems with Tropical Malady. I completely value its qualities (it is a highly remarkable film), but I simply could not get into it. I dunno. Maybe I need to see it again. But after having seen Blissfylly Yours, I think I just don't respond well to Weerasethakul's technique, even though I think he is very talented and highly unusual

Domai

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